Mr. Frohnmaier, last week you attended a UN event in New York. You made use of the opportunity to meet the Syrian UN ambassador Bashar Jaafari, with whom you spoke about the situation in Syria. What topics did you discuss with the Syrian diplomat?
Frohnmaier: We had a very interesting talk about the war in Syria. Since I am member of the committee for economic cooperation and development in the German parliament, we also discussed the refugee and migration problem as well as the rebuilding process of post-war Syria. Dealing with the refugee problem is one of the important objectives of foreign aid.
What did you discuss about the refugee wave to Europe?
Frohnmaier: We all know that there are fighters belonging to so-called rebels and criminals among Syrian refugees. In our conversation, the Syrian diplomat confirmed that the insurgents in his country are neither “democratic” nor “moderate” rebels but Islamist terrorists and extremists.
Many of those fighters are not of Syrian origin but foreigners from other Islamic regions and countries. They went to Syria to take part in the jihad and not to fight for democracy and liberal values as many in the Western media wanted to make us Europeans believe. Europe is not only facing a migration problem, but also a terrorist threat that we have to deal with now.
The German government and the other European governments blame the Syrian leadership for the refugee wave. Also the Russian army which is an ally of Syria and supports the Syrian military forces…
Frohnmaier: It is pure cynicism to blame the Syrian army for defending their country. If there was a terrorist insurgency in Germany or any other European country, the national army and security forces would also have defended the population and the state against such an insurgency. The refugee wave is a result of the insurgency in Syria – and not a result of the defensive measures taken against the insurgency. It is a shame that so many Western countries gave, or still give those terrorists support and “invite” them today to come to Europe. These people will commit the same crimes in Europe as they already did in Syria.
The German SPD politician Martin Schulz said in 2016: “What the refugees bring to us is more valuable than gold.” What do you think about that?
Frohnmaier: This is a perfect example for the cynical stance of our mainstream politics towards the refugee issue. Exactly the politicians who always tell us that “refugees are human beings” see in them as a type of beneficial import product.
To be “happy” about refugees coming to Europe is the apex of hypocrisy. It means to be happy about the fact that people are leaving, or feel forced to leave, their homeland, their families, their houses. But it goes together perfectly with the support for so-called “rebel” forces by the West in Syria.
In one sentence: Those who want to have migrants and refugees in Europe need only support an insurgency in another country. The rest happens inexorably.
You also spoke with Mr. Jaafari about development aid and the future rebuilding process in Syria?
Frohnmaier: Yes. This is maybe the most important task for both Syria and Europe in near future.
Why also for Europe?
Frohnmaier: We need a solution which serves the Syrian as well as the European interest since we now host a lot of Syrian migrants.
These people have to return to their homeland and support the rebuilding process. At the same time we have to solve together with our Syrian counterparts the security and terrorist problem – in Syria and also in Europe.
We ought to have learned at least one important geopolitical lesson: If the West meddles in a foreign country, there will be consequences. And now Europe and especially Germany should concentrate on the rebuilding Syria instead of investing huge amounts of money in hosting refugees.
Let me put it like this: If European countries help and support the rebuilding of destroyed cities, with a smart policy of investment by small and big businesses and industry, it will be much cheaper than hosting masses of migrants and financing a so-called “integration process” for refugees which will never work out.
A smart and target-oriented development aid policy should eventually be deserving of its name. What we do today is throwing around German tax payer money and unfortunately a part of it actually ends up in the hands of terrorists. This is – with all due respect – insane.
What is your criticism of the German development aid policy when it comes to Syria?
Frohnmaier: It is quite a general criticism, not just regarding Syria. The main characteristic of foreign aid should be that it is just temporary and not eternal support for other countries.
This means: We invest in structures and economic development, in political and legal processes. For Syria it means: the war has to end first, then we can develop a plan for the process together with Syrian partners.
Can Germany or Europe influence the development of the war in Syria?
Frohnmaier: Of course. It is not complicated and even cheaper than what we have been doing since the war started. We have to lift the sanctions against Syria immediately and stop any support for the so-called rebels. That would drain the supply lines of the terrorist fighters and strengthen the Syrian security forces.
What was your impression of the Syrian ambassador Bashar Jaafari?
Frohnmaier: It was a pleasure for me to discuss all these important and decisive topics with the Syrian diplomat in New York. It is a pity that I have to do that and not the German minister of Economic Cooperation and Development, Mr. Gerd Müller.
Mr. Jaafari has a hard job to do in New York since the West isolated his country. To be the representative of Syria in New York must be a bit like working in a nest of vipers every day.
The discussion with Mr. Jaafari took place in a friendly and cooperative atmosphere; he is a highly educated man. It is worth to take the time to listen to him. I just wish that our government would do that – and not just me as representative of the parliamentary opposition.