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Dan (83) and Breggie (79) Brand. Photo: Facebook.

South African Police refuse to investigate murder of white farming family

South Africa's lackadaisical police service, run by ex-terrorists, has again shown that it does not care for the country's farming community who are under constant attack.

Published: July 29, 2020, 9:28 am

    The South African Police Service, of which many officers are former Marxist-ANC terrorists trained in the former Soviet Union and East Germany to attack civilians, refused on Sunday to investigate the kidnapping and murder of Dan and Breggie Brand, as well as their daughter Elzabie, in the country’s remote Northern Cape province. The couple’s son phoned the police in vain who refused to send anyone out. Only when volunteer groups complained to a high-ranking officer and exerted pressure through the media, did the police service finally send officers to the crime scene.

    The bodies of Dan (83), Breggie (79) and Elzabie (50) were found yesterday after an extensive search by volunteer groups. A police spokesman, Brigadier Vish Naidoo, has confirmed the find outside Takaneng Village.

    Only 48 hours after the attack did the police send a forensic team to the crime scene, again after several phone calls from the family and volunteer groups. Ostensibly, the elderly couple and their 50-year old daughter were attacked when they were sitting down for Sunday lunch as their food was left untouched on the table.

    The three victims were driven away in their own vehicles, a red Nissan Micra and a Grey Mazda CX5.

    “The 83-year-old father, the 79-year-old mother and their 50-year-old daughter were attacked. All three people in the home could not be found and two of the family’s cars were missing,” Brigadier Naidoo said.

    The red Nissan was found abandoned in an African village, Majaneng, Taung in North West province on Monday night.

    According to the police spokesman, “With the search continuing in the Northern Cape, the second vehicle, a Grey Mazda CX5, was spotted in the area of Pudimoe being driven by a woman with two male passengers.

    The vehicle was stopped and the three suspects were subsequently arrested, Naidoo said.

    A source from the police who did not want to be named explained that the couple and their daughter were brutally murdered, the latest victims in South Africa’s notorious spate of farm attacks.

    “From the statements we have taken, it is clear the mother and father and the daughter were all three kidnapped and later brutally murdered,” he said.

    “You can only image the terror these poor people went through in their last hours and there was no need to kill them. They could have just robbed them if that was what the motive was.”

    Worried relatives who had been unable to contact Dan and Breggie on Sunday, drove to their house near Vaalharts, Northern Cape province, on Monday and found blood stains in the house.

    A spokesman for volunteer group Afriforum, Marius Muller stated: “The fears of relatives that all three had come to harm was reported to the local police station on Sunday but it appears that absolutely nothing was done about it.

    “It was only when those worried relatives travelled down on Monday themselves that they found effectively a crime scene with the house ransacked and the blood stains inside.

    “Who knows if the police acted immediately on Sunday then lives could have been saved? Those who run this country have to wake up to what is happening and protect farmers.”

    At the time of publication, five suspects have been arrested for the attack. They will appear in court soon.

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    • This is genocide, the world is aware of the going on in SA but nobody is taking a stance. Apart from Trump no other government has uttered a word. A black criminal is killed by cops and the world is in uproar? WTF!!!!

      • Rob

        America needs to airlift every white South African and grant them asylum here now! Get those people out of that God-forsaken, demonic toilet. White people are the most endangered in the world!

        • TruthorDare

          Why bring them to America? We are just a few steps behind this very same type of murderous assault on whites. Airlift them somewhere they might have a chance. It won’t be here in America.

          • james

            The difference is we are all well armed and ready for the hoodrats.

            • de Hauteville

              I am sure the Afrikaners were armed as well, but they were caught unawares, terrorized and subsequently brutally murdered. All whites in S. Africa need to have a highten sense of danger in their country. They are the hunted in Zululand and will be wiped out inevitably.

          • de Hauteville

            Whites are under attack everywhere in the world. Elected politicians brought these murderers into our once civilized society from the hellish regions of North Africa and beyond. The goal is to eliminate the whites and replace them with more compliant and ignorant masses who are willing to take government subsistence and do the bidding of the globalist white masters. It has almost accomplished it’s goal in Western Europe, now it is working on the United States. It may take a little longer, because the citizenry is still well armed.

        • TrumptheCommies

          What this guy said!! 👆🏻👍🏻✊🏻

        • gotham1883

          How about going there and kicking black ass out of South Africa and back to their jungles where they belong.

          • Thembi

            Not all people are the same. Best is to treat everyone well and with respect. Do not trust anyone either and be prepared to defend yourself. . You cannot go there and ‘kick ass’. There are 60 million people and 10 million ‘whiter’ people left – that is white,brown, Asian people. And most of the black people are not haters. They are good people. The world will see the truth and they will also see how some ideologies are as corrupt as you can get. It is all about money. There is a global lockdown on good sense and ethics

            • Cosmik Debris

              Then why did 70% of black South Africans vote for the government that is in power and the radical racist and Maoist EFF of Julius Malema?

            • Criticising the Stupid

              Well 30% didn’t. Don’t for one second think that that number hasn’t grown especially after finding out that the govt is now after our pensions.

            • Cosmik Debris

              A KFC and T Shirt will sort that out. The ANC voters don’t have pensions. They live off SASSA grants.

            • Thembi

              70% of voters do not vote. The ones that do believe there is nirvana around the corner. Hopeless

            • Cosmik Debris

              The ANC and EFF together got almost 70% of the poll.

        • platerunner

          Australia is doing that now! Wouldn’t it be nice to have refugees that are in real danger and that would appreciate being here instead of the radical anti-american ihlan omar, or whatever the fck her name is

          • Arturo

            The Chinks are going to PWN Australia very soon.

          • Kathleen Grech

            Yes I agree Australia and other countries should be helping to get these white SA farmers out. It is appalling that the world is sitting back and doing nothing. These people can bring something to a new country and they work hard. Australia let’s take the first step to get these farmers and their families out NOW

        • John Smoot (Deplorable)

          Can we trade all our blacks / “African Americans” / “People of Color” for the South African whites?

          • Criticising the Stupid

            Hey hey hey!!!!
            Some of us not so black and not so white also want out. These loons are exactly like your BLM nazis

        • Comenius

          At the least, we should airlift some guns in to those poor people so that they have the ability to defend themselves.
          I believe the government has disarmed them so that they would be easier prey for their murderous thugs.
          You know, like the Democrats want to do for us in America.

      • gotham1883

        They were aware of the genocide in the Ukraine too and did nothing because the Tribe controls the media and has its tentacles all thru the governments of the west.

        • What “tribe” controls America?

    • DeplorableJayJay

      If you’re a white farmer in South America….get out of there now!!

      • j b

        South Africa

      • gotham1883

        And where should they go. America is burning. So is Australia and England and all the white countries seem to have no will to stop the civil war that is burning their countries.

        • Kathleen Grech

          Civil war in Australia first I knew about it and I am an Australian best country to live in. Our gun laws are in place, whereby Americans live and stand for their gun laws, and when there are massacres in schools etc they cry why? Why because you allow anyone to bear arms

      • Cosmik Debris

        Tell me how to?

    • Ahoy Goy

      Nothing but crickets in the US media. The son should have accused Trump to get some attention on the case.

      • disqus_RUOK

        Two wrongs don’t make a right.

        • gotham1883

          Then we should not have attacked Japan after they bombed Pearl Harbor.

        • Moose

          i dare you to watch the video of the beautiful , sexy ,white south african woman in shorts and halter top being repeatedly stabbed in the body and then watch her writh until the other black guy saws her head off . You can actually tell the exact moment her spinal cord is severed because her arms instantly go limp and she flattens out on the ground . Then the ghoul chops her head off and holds it up to the camera. See how you pathetic attempt are maintaining sensabilities looks after you watch the video .

          • disqus_RUOK

            No matter the circumstance – Two wrongs don’t make a right.
            Gruesome killings is wrong, blaming the wrong person is also wrong.
            Come up with a plan to clear the wrongs, not create more of them.

    • Ron Noyfb

      SA will be Rhodesia in less than 2 year. No black run county has ever thrived.

      • Dixon

        The indigenous blacks have the uncanny ability to take over prosperous farms and turn them into dirt lots in record time. Weren’t Rhodesia and South Africa called the breadbasket of Africa? Now they produce dust.

        • Cosmik Debris

          Here’s a nice example of black South African inability for you:

          Remember Zebediela Citrus Estate? Here’s what happened to it:

          From 1918 to 1926, more than 565 000 citrus trees were planted on 2 260 ha of this estate’s land. For the twenty five years before the estate was sold to the South African government in 1974, it showed a profit of millions of Rands every year. After the sale, Zebediela grew to become “the diamond of agricultural projects”. It was of such great national pride that the Reader’s Digest Illustrated Guide to Southern Africa wrote in 1978 that “nearly 400 million oranges are harvested each year from the groves of Zebediela, the world’s biggest citrus estate. The output is sufficient to provide one orange for every eight people on earth.

          This was written in 2001: Zebediela Citrus Estate, once the largest of its kind in the world with an annual harvest worth R30 million, is in ruins today losing more than R35 million per annum. Taken over by the Agricultural and Rural Development Corporation, its managers were replaced by people who had no farming experience. Half the citrus trees have died and hundreds of employees have been retrenched.

          The Lisbon Citrus and Mango Estate, once South Africa’s largest exporter of mangoes, has met a similar fate. So has the Saringwa Estate in the Lowland which is now R17 million in debt. The Gillemsberg Citrus and Cattle Boerdery, once debt free and producing R14 million per year, has been totally plundered. This once magnificent 25 000 hectare gem is now a huge squatter camp. One of the largest pig farms in the country was also handed over in a ceremony attended by Nelson Mandela himself who claimed that the farm would serve “as a breadbasket of the community”. Today all the pigs are gone and squatters are living in their pens.

          Around the country examples abound of the systematic destruction of the last remaining food exporting infrastructure in Africa. As in Zimbabwe, the claim of “racial imbalance” in land ownership is a red herring. With the government owning around 25% of South Africa’s land, there is ample land available for those who want to work it. But that is not being distributed. Instead organised agriculture is being strangled to death by those who seek only to occupy farms and not to continue their productivity.

    • buffman

      Their fault for not leaving that sinking ship

      • gotham1883

        No, they are not cowards like you seem to be.

        • buffman

          26 years serving my country in war and peace bubba…. but you think they’re brave because they’re dead? It’s a lost cause in S. Africa genius

          • Cosmik Debris

            So, tell me how I can leave then? Waiting.

            • buffman

              sell what you can no matter the price, buy a ticket to Australia, Canada, or the US…get there and then ask for asylum….do something and Godspeed, I hope you’re successful…your success is not what you leave behind but what you know

            • Cosmik Debris

              South African whites are not eligible for asylum. They get sent back. Otherwise we would have done that. Here’s the Canadian rejection case:

              A white South African family has seen their refugee claim in Canada denied. Eric and Sonia Endre were farmers in South Africa and had been visiting relatives in Canada in April 2016 accompanied by …

              https://www.rcinet.ca/en/2017/09/20/white-south-africans-denied-refugee-status-in-canada/

              Australia:

              In the second case, a delegate for Dutton rejected an asylum bid by a white South African woman in March 2015 after the woman asked for Australia’s protection.

              https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/apr/14/peter-duttons-department-blocked-white-south-african-farmers-asylum-bid

            • buffman

              and America, I know the president was talking about the killings recently?

            • Cosmik Debris

              Very difficult to get a US visa.

            • buffman

              Tourist visa too? Mexicans come here illegally all the time and no one messes with them, Just have to cross the border. I know some that have been here 30 years and own homes

            • buffman

              America? the president was talking about that recently

      • Thys Esterhuysen

        oh I’m sorry. Do you think all white South Africans can afford to leave?? Do you think we want to stay here?

      • Cosmik Debris

        Tell me how to leave and I will. Over to you. Waiting.

        • buffman

          sell off, buy a ticket to Australia, USA, or Canada…and get out, then ask for asylum

          • Cosmik Debris

            No chance. South African whites get sent back.

            • buffman

              America? Britain? Costa Rica? maybe Belize…I feel for you

            • Cosmik Debris

              UK requires a visa and so does the EU. They’ve closed the holes.

            • buffman

              have you tried Central American countries like Costa Rica or Belize? you got to try man, there are other countries that may take you…all your hard work gone, I’m sorry

            • Cosmik Debris

              White South Africans just get sent back penniless.

    • Pf Mahan

      Blacks tend to be animalistic, they thrive by attacking more successful races cause they are lazy and worthless

      • gotham1883

        They think destroying things makes them equal to those who created those things. The stupid always think that way.

        • Kathleen Grech

          I can’t see the logic in your comment. I think it is stupid to suppose this thought

        • Cosmik Debris

          Yep. Same as ISIS destroying the archaeological treasures in Afghanistan.

      • Kathleen Grech

        I don’t believe that all black pple are lazy there are many whites that won’t get of their arse and work.

    • Glad Yu Azzked

      You mean police run by kafirs?

    • ImaObserver

      This is what happens to Whites in SA. —

      South African Murder Video (GRAPHIC)
      https://ctmstorage.blob.core.windows.net/ctmnews/Warning.mp4

      • TrumptheCommies

        Filthy subhuman animals. ALL of them! NONE are evolved or civilized and CANNOT be!

        • gotham1883

          Intelligence just above a chimp, and some chimps are smarter than them.

      • M5

        Chilled me to the bone.

        Animals….not even that.

        That image will never leave me.

        • Moose

          I watched it to familiarise myself with what racial murder looks like , and so i wont hesitate should i ever be confronted .Up until i saw that i now know i didnt really understand what evil in its truest foorm is capable of. I tried to get my son and daughter to watch . They refused . They were afraid to see something so upsetting . I guess thats how they will cower when its their turn . I will never forget those effing demons .

          • M5

            Definitely hard to watch.

            Depending on the age of your kids….I’m guessing they are of-age.

            I would never show it to minors. I was horrified and all the exemplary statements people make when witnessing such carnage.

            Her crime of being white. How to rectify it. I do not know except through in-kind treatment. Senseless, useless, carnal, barely brain-stem basic urges unchecked.

            I would have no hesitation dispatching the vermin doing it.

            • Moose

              AsI watched it I realised I was in no way prepared or even aware that these typeof peoiple existed . Now i realised that I never really thought or accepted that that type of people existed . Up until i saw that i now know that i would not have been able to recognise that type of situation and would not have done everything necessary to get them before they got me . Id would really like , at this moment , tohave saved that poor soul from that fate . i guess noow i wouldnt hesitate if things come to that.

      • Tom

        All snowflakes should have to watch this.

      • aposematic

        This will be America if Biden is elected President…Already going on in Democrat Run Cities…

        • Miss miller

          And may only be postponed for 4 years if trump wins. We need a McCarthy to put down the marxists if we are to survive beyond trump.

          • gotham1883

            That would take national willpower and courage. I don’t think there is the national willpower or courage to do what is necessary. Too many, even, conservatives, believe the bullshit that the commies are spewing daily in the Tribal msm.

      • Dixon

        Media ignored because it was a peaceful demonstration of suppressed, poor, abused, black people who were seeking sympathy for their cause.

    • TrumptheCommies

      Blackkk lives mean S*** to me and this is why! If you’re American, for that matter, if you are White ANYWHERE on tjis planet, your SKIN COLOR is your uniform now, wear it PROUDLY!

    • muskratlove

      Demonrats will do this to us in America.

      • gotham1883

        Only if we let it happen.

      • buffman

        Venezuela

    • aposematic

      Coming to America if Biden gets Elected POTUS…WTFU people…

      • Tom

        It’s already here it’s called MS13 they do the same kind of crap.

    • Daniel Shays

      I think it was Laura Southern who did a documentary on this genocide. I recommend watching it. It’s quite shocking of how routine this is.

    • TStephen

      SA is doing really well at re-joining the rest of that God forsaken continent’s backwards, destitute, tyrannical shithole countries.

    • Sir Richard Peter Johnson

      Where are the pictures?

    • aposematic

      If you are Dumb enough to think Democrats are not pure evil then you are their next victim…

    • gotham1883

      Your rich brethren sold you out white citizens of South Africa. They sold you out to the globalists for 30 pieces of silver.

      • Cosmik Debris

        Correct. FW de Klerk sold the white South Africans out to save the American banks and earn a nice retirement fund for him and his cronies. Have a read:

        FW DE KLERK AND COVERT DEALINGS PRIOR TO THE 1994 ELECTIONS

        For decades accusations against the FW de Klerk government have been flying about. Many people have been whispering about huge sums of money being paid over by Swiss bank accounts to NP politicians and government operators to hand over the SA government to the ANC. For years nothing could be proven, till now:

        CITIBANK

        Gen. Erle Cocke ran Nugan Hand Bank’s Washington office. In April 2000, Cocke gave a deposition running to 67 pages concerning his knowledge and involvement in Project Hammer.

        Ten days later he died from Pancreatic cancer. His explosive deposition reveals him as a very significant and highly connected player in a world few of us are familiar with.

        Cocke related in his statement how Citibank was used as halfway stop for dodgy financial dealings in ‘black gold’ through Project Hammer – some 30 accounts used.

        Asked where these accounts were located, Cocke responded saying – in almost one solid block at Citibank.

        PROJECT HAMMER

        Project Hammer was a desperate undertaking by the USA gov. to rescue some of its major banks, who, by the end of the 1980’s, faced insolvency.

        These banks included Citibank, HSBC, Chase Manhattan and the Bank of New York.

        The project was designed to cipher gold and diamonds as collateral as an emergency buoy for the ailing banks and to put the USA’s economy on track again.

        It is at this stage that South Africa’s De Klerk government entered the fray – as major gold and diamond supplier, it was the easiest and cheapest way to rescue the USA banking sector.

        Only one small problem: South Africa was in political turmoil with the white rightwing challenging the NP government on all fronts.

        The best smokescreen Citibank could think upon to move large amounts of money and gold bullion was:
        Create political instability (between the NP gov. and the ANC. Then create a political vacuum where dodgy gold and diamond deals could be done without too many questions (maybe even an interim NP/ANC gov. where the minimum control would facilitate covert gold and diamond movements).
        Project Hammer involved the trading of $13.6 trillion in debentures resulting in a ‘fallout’ of about $1.1 trillion which was stashed in the Howard Hughes account in Credit Suisse.

        Obviously, in a project of this size, a lot of organizations had to be involved: The CIA, FBI, all the NSA agencies, Pentagon in the broadest sense of it and as such, the Treasury and Federal Reserve. Nobody got out of the act, and everybody wanted to get in on the act – for there was lots and lots of money to be made.

        – MAS 57/08/92 – Pretoria North Case ref, investigation officer – Lt. Col. AE Botha conducted an investigation into the irregularities, but it was never made public or brought to court.

        In October 1998, a German intelligence operator forwarded a document marked “Top Secret” to Gerhard Laubser of the S.A. National Intelligence Agency, marked MZ/HRB/10-10/98 ser. Noj/IBI citing the disappearance of $223 104 000 008 from the South African economy through ‘black gold’ dealings. In the report the following 47 persons were named:

        FW de Klerk, Hernus Kriel, Chris Stals, Japie Jacobs, Org Marais, Anton Rupert, Johan Rupert, James Cross, Christo Wiese (SARB), Christo Wiese (Boland Bank), Dr.Swanepoel, Dr.Groenewald, Mr. Potgieter, Alwyn Lombard, Jan Lombard, Barend du Plessis, Commissioner Blaauw (Western Cape), Simon Nothnagel, Simon and Peter Nassau, Giel Nieuwoudt, Ben Zuma, Anton Welch, George Hill, BB de Klerk, Chris Nissen, Kobus Kirsten,van Deventer, Boet Claasen, Big John Smith, Willem Korden/Kordan, Daniel Julius, Jan Koch, John and Faize Adams, Peter Blake, Nick Fourie, Magistrate Liebenberg, Casiem and Shahida Brey, Peter Mopp, Riaan Engelbrecht, Peter Goslar, Detective Justin Swart, Charles/Lester Newton, Robert Ferguson and Wynand Louw:

    • aposematic

      Apartheid was a bad system…now its murder all white people and that is supposed to be a better system…

      • gotham1883

        In Marxist lingo only white people can be racist. Some whites prefer to die than be called a racist.

      • Comenius

        I read an article about a survey of black South Africans and many of them said it was better under apartheid because at least they had functioning civilizational systems in place.

        They said they were SAFER. These were black South Africans who were old enough to have also lived under apartheid.

        Misguided WHITE LIBERALS are MORE DANGEROUS because they had the power to force that on a sovereign foreign country because they always know what’s best.

        They’re also the ones that are, at this very moment, standing in the way of helping those poor white South Africans.

      • Cosmik Debris

        Tell me what was bad about apartheid?

        • Criticising the Stupid

          Are you serious????
          You didn’t allow on your beaches, in your movies, restaurants, paid us less than you, didn’t give us the same opportunities, etc.
          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/275a69fb784caa43b0a8cc1888d268326c817e8ebb31bdb1437b34e354112479.jpg

          • Cosmik Debris

            All the laws that applied to blacks during apartheid applied to whites too. Tell me what was bad about apartheid? I’ll bet you can’t and many blacks will tell it was better under apartheid. Here, read and digest:

            Under apartheid:

            Mandela managed to get a lawyers degree and many other blacks like Steve Biko qualified professionally.

            Ten black Universities were built during Apartheid.

            The black education budget was increased by 30% every year.

            65% Of black South African children were at school, compared to Egypt 64%, Nigeria 57%, Ghana52%, Tanzania50% and Ethiopia 29%.

            71% Of black adults in South Africa could read and write, compared to Kenya 47%, Egypt 38%, Nigeria 34% and Mozambique at 26%.

            15 new classrooms were built for blacks, every working day, every year.

            The black population grew from 5 million to 40 million.

            56% Of the annual budget was spent on blacks.

            Black living standards rose by 5.4% per year.

            Soweto had 115 football fields, 3 Rugby fields, 4 athletic tracks, 11 Cricket fields, 2 Golf courses, 47 Tennis courts, 7 swimming pools built to Olympic standards, 5 Bowling alleys, 81 Netball fields, 39 children play parks, and countless civic halls, movie houses and clubhouses, 300 churches, 365 schools, 2 Technical Colleges, 8 clinics, 63 child day care centres, 11 Post Offices, and its own fruit and vegetable market.

            There were 2300 registered companies that belonged to black businessmen, about 1000 private taxi companies. 3% of the 50,000 vehicle owners in 1978 were Mercedes Benz owners. Soweto alone had more cars, taxis, schools, churches and sport facilities than most independent countries in Africa. And more private vehicles than the entire white population of the USSR at the time?

            And:

            Baragwanath hospital was built by the apartheid government for the exclusive use of black people. Whites were not allowed to use it. When it was built it was the biggest state of the art hospital in the world, with 3200 beds and at its peak almost 8000 staff and had 23 operation theaters. The ANC tacked the Chris Hani name on in one of their renaming frenzies to make it seem as if they built the hospital. Which is good because today the hospital is falling apart from neglect like all the other hospitals the apartheid government built. There were excellent hospitals in all the towns. Towns that now have a doctor visit twice a week actually had four doctors permanently and functioning surgical theatres. These have been reduced to poorly maintained clinics under the ANC.

            Take your own advice and try being informed, not just opinionated.

            • Criticising the Stupid

              I know all this and I don’t give a rat’s ass about blacks or whites who want ignore their progeny . My problem is that many whites treated us “coloureds” as lower forms of life when your white ancestors mated with hottentot and black women and produced a mixed race offspring. Now WE’RE left being neither white nor black enough for you black and white people.

              For the life of me I cannot understand why you still feel that I am as uninformed as the people you attack on these sites when I have proven thousands of times that I’m not. You have even invited me for a beer and braai because of our kindred spirit. Bet you don’t remember that?????

            • Cosmik Debris

              Of course I remember the invitation. Why do you accuse me being an oppressor of others? In the military we had whites, blacks, coloureds and Indians in our unit. Nobody was discriminated against and only your ability and position counted.

              I would prefer you not blaming me for for a race groups insecurity I had nothing to do with.

    • Johndoe

      This will be the U.S. in 20 years if we don’t fight back now.

    • gotham1883

      By the way, when did NY become the soul possession of liberals. The libs in those cities did not build those buildings. They are not a separate nation. They have no more right to keep anyone out of those cities than you do. They have no more right to riot than you do. Libs do not own those cities. They are not separate countries that the libs can do whatever they want with. They are a part of our country and we all have just as much right to live in those cities as they do. It is sad and cowardly to say let them burn our cities. And they are our cities not their cities. It is sedition and treason that causes the leaders of those cities to let them burn. It is a direct attack on our country aided and abetted by the politicians running those cities.

      • buffman

        I’m all for martial law and national guard troops running the cities

    • Andrew Martin

      But, I thought South Africa was a paradise since apartheid ended. Good job!

    • fly over country

      I have some white friends who were born and grew up in South Africa, they are of Dutch heritage and their family had lived there on a large farm for generations. They told me that it got so dangerous they finally sold out for a loss and emigrated to America. They were lucky to get out alive. What is going on over there is an absolute tragedy. The media screams about America saying it is a racist hellhole and yet they remain silent about SA. The media are nothing but lying cowards who support the oppression of humans everywhere.

    • yiddishlion

      Hey guys, let’s be real….the Brits and Dutch who colonized South Africa were EXCEEDINGLY RACIST. They made it a very prosperous nation, but sowed the seeds of their own destruction. It’s not an excuse for outright murder, but truth is truth…..they usurped a populace trapped in the stone age and took full advantage of and abused them while enriching themselves GREATLY…. plain and simple. Once the blacks were poised to regain power any white person with two brain cells would have left even BEFORE that moment in time.

      • Riekie Nel

        It’s not just for leave. How? Where to? With what money?

      • Rentia Diedericks

        No they were not racist, which is probably why you need to shout. They were Christians – actually Puritans just like the founding fathers of America. Strangely South Africa saw a huge influx of Israelis as soon as the ANC came to power. In fact, the pattern of farm murders reminds one of how the Israelis have been driving Palestinians off their land. Same modus operandi

      • Thembi

        You are joking right? Where did you read that info? I suppose on the government sites. My own family are mixed race European African. The people started interracial marriage the moment a ship landed in Cape Town 360 years ago. Apartheid means segregation, and the people had world class hospitals, Universities, everything. The problem with apartheid was restricting people’s movements and tell them where they had to set up home. It was a humiliation to them and that was unethical and crude and totally wrong. . There have been 100’s of restitution processes and people hoped everything will get better. Every group had homelands and still own that lands. Except the original Khoisan People, who have been left with very little and starting to fight back. I am fully behind them. The rest are all colonists, the black African people are settlers from the Congo and Nigeria, they are not from here. . Why do you think so many so-called non white people say everything was a lot better in Apartheid years? Can you believe it? You think white people went to South Africa and murdered and rape blacks. Yes that is what people hear through populist agendas. It’s not true. there are exceptions but very little of that. Why are the prisons full of black people in SA? Stop reading MSM and educate yourself. . The worst happening in South Africa are babies being dumped on waste sites or in the bush! Hundreds of them every single month. Every 30 minutes a woman or child are being brutally raped in South Africa. Pregnant women hanged and throat cut. . Who are these perpetrators? Do you want to tell me its the Europeans? Remove yourself from spreading nonsense. Or come to South Africa and learn your lessons the hard way – oor google township violence – as you are clearly brainwashed you troll

      • Scientia Praecepta

        … usurped a populace trapped in the stone age …

        Yeah. Three Nobel Prize winners. World leaders in AIDS/HIV research. World leader in 3-D bone printing and implants. Practiced medication and vaccinations before Europeans. Made steel alloys like Europeans were still in animal skins and caves. Had a mathematical and trigonometry system far before Europeans could count. Knew the Earth was a sphere while European dogma stated it was flat. As skilled as any pale skilled person when given equal opportunities.

        • yiddishlion

          Yeah you’re kind of full of it there your history is wrong and anybody who thinks that Nelson Mandela deservedeserved anything but life in prison is an idiot. The Nobel Prize is an absolute joke

          • Scientia Praecepta

            You are about as useful as an a$$hole with taste buds.

          • Cosmik Debris

            Correct. I have asked for references and proof.

            • Scientia Praecepta

              Border Cave. Cure your aliteracy.

            • Cosmik Debris

              Why do so many seem to have a problem with this?

              Hitchens’ razor is an epistemological razor expressed by writer Christopher Hitchens. It says that the burden of proof regarding the truthfulness of a claim lies with the one who makes the claim; if this burden is not met, then the claim is unfounded, and its opponents need not argue further in order to dismiss it. Hitchens has phrased the razor in writing as:

              “What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.”

            • Cosmik Debris

              Ironic. It’s *illiteracy*. I suggest you take your own advice.

            • Scientia Praecepta

              Wrong. Use a fucking dictionary. Aliteracy is 100% correct. Works for Google too, moron!

            • Cosmik Debris

              Yes, it describes you perfectly.

          • Scientia Praecepta

            Aliterate and illiterate khunt have you not an inkling as to who Albert Luthuli, Nelson Mandela, and Desmond Tutu, were? Ever heard of Border Cave?

        • Cosmik Debris

          Practiced medication and vaccinations before Europeans. Made steel alloys like Europeans were still in animal skins and caves. Had a mathematical and trigonometry system far before Europeans could count. Knew the Earth was a sphere while European dogma stated it was flat. As skilled as any pale skilled person when given equal opportunities.

          Absolute rubbish. References and citations for this please. Any archaeological evidence and where is the sub Saharan African alphabet?

          • Scientia Praecepta

            References and citations for this please.

            Is your Google broken? I’m not here to educate people who have spent enormous amounts of energy rendering themselves ineducable. I’m here to laugh at what incredibly uninformed febrile illiterates you buffoons are by choice. Read the history. I am not your librarian. I don’t waste my time arguing known history or change reality-deniers nappies.

            • Rentia Diedericks

              Running away with your white flag hoisted? You did your utmost to “debate” an informed person but ideology can never trump hard facts. Thanks for showing us your limitations!

        • Cosmik Debris

          Not a single black has ever attained a Nobel prize for science nor mathematics. Only for soft “science” like the humanities. Obama even got his peace prize a month into office before he had even done anything

          • Scientia Praecepta

            Obama got his peace prize a month into office before he had even done anything.

            Winning the nomination and the vote to become president of the largest economy in the world was nothing? You are the epitome of hypocrisy and inferiority complexes.

      • Cosmik Debris

        Can you suggest how to leave?

    • james

      So I’m wondering how the low IQ tribesman are going to feed themselves once the white farmers leave.

    • Arturo

      If Biden wins, expect an all-out war on white men in the USA, too.

    • seth rich

      In America this is considered just, after all they are white.

    • Stillwater62

      It is the WHITE farmers that have fed the ignorant, and lazy blacks in S. Africa, and brought some civility along with education to some of the most backwards people in the world. Yet, this is how they say thank you. Read the history, before it is destroyed to.

    • Jim Meade

      There should be a program started through the churches that American families can sponser a family from South Africa and bring them to the states. These are good hard working Christian farmers and police that should qualify for politcal asylum. When we win the White House again and the Senate we will push for this with Trump.

      • Riekie Nel

        Policemen are mostly black and followers of the ANC / EFF parties. Also anti-white, as you could read in this article. Happens daily. There are a white and good ones amongst them, but a handful.

    • Mike_in_Wasilla

      Thss is what the Democrats and BLM and Antifa have in mind for the US.

    • Diz

      This happens when blacks are given control of a country with a significant white population.
      Americans take note.

      • Cosmik Debris

        How can the whites leave? Nobody recognises white South Africans as refugees.

    • Dixon

      Coming to a place called the United States, soon. With black lives (dont) matter bullshyte permeating all levels of society and liberal politicians believing the lies spouted daily by biased media outlets the USA will be the new SA. As it is now whites are being murdered by the dozens everyday by blacks and yet the focus of an entire nation is on one incident in Minnesota. White lives dont matter, that’s a fact.

    • Riekie Nel
    • Lance H

      What SA has morphed into in the last 20 years is what the left want for the USA.

      • Scientia Praecepta

        Silly comment especially in the light of the impeached fake orange tan turd turning teh US into a clone of Venezuela with similar employment and GDP per capita. The value of the U.S. dollar is diminishing like it’s a degree in travel agentology. The greenback is:Down 9% from its March highs Down about 3% year to date On track for its worst month since 2011Why? The value of the dollar reflects the U.S.’ overall economic strength relative to other countries. Fluctuations can be caused by anything from geopolitical tensions to market sentiment to unemployment levels. The two main factors for the dollar’s value are the money supply (what it sounds like) and real-yields (the value of bond yields minus inflation). The first is off the charts thanks to Fed Chair Jerome Powell’s print-a-palooza. And the second is in the basement, which has dragged the dollar down. Makes the stocks go up while the weaker dollar makes U.S. exports more competitive overseas, plus it minimizes the cost of converting profits made in other currencies. The dollar’s decline is a boost for gold, which has shot up to record highs this week. Gold is priced in dollars, which means it’s more attractive to foreign buyers when the dollar is down. Developing countries’ stocks and some of their currencies have been on a rebound. Falling dollar going to cause huge inflation problems. Thanks to impeached fat orange lying turd.

        • Cosmik Debris

          Silly comment especially in the light of the impeached fake orange tan turd turning teh US into a clone of Venezuela with similar employment and GDP per capita.

          Rubbish as usual from you. The USA had the lowest unemployment rate of 3.7% in 49 years under Trump and pre Covid-19.

          • Scientia Praecepta

            The USA had the lowest unemployment rate of 3.7% in 49 years under Trump and pre Covid-19.

            We live in the now and not what was. The economy was the tailend of the previous administration’s efforts and never created as many jobs or as great a GDP. Obese, know-nothing, impeached, pathological liar Trump taking credit for BHO’s economy is like someone inheriting millions from his dad and bragging what a smart businessman he is! It’s a racist ploy of not so subtle propaganda lies, Goebbels style, to sell your victims that you care for them. Impeached white supremacist president Trump, February 2020: “BEST USA ECONOMY IN HISTORY!” Also the vile, vulgar impeached coward and know-nothing clown, February 2020: “The years of economic decay are over […] I am thrilled to report to you tonight that our economy is the best it has ever been.” It wasn’t and not even close to BHO’s.The impeached sexual pervert, yet again in February 2020, justified a move to cap federal worker raises at 1% in 2021 by claiming “national emergency or serious economic conditions.” A raise over 1%, he said, would be “inappropriate.” The raise needs to be limited to “maintain efforts to put our Nation on a fiscally sustainable course.” You know, the “fiscally sustainable course” that Republicans cared not one bit about when they were slashing taxes for corporations and the wealthy, but that’s suddenly a big freaking deal when the question is whether to give federal workers a decent raise.

    • marqfive

      Why did they choose to stay in that God forsaken land? White guilt? Liberalism? They had to have heard the stories. I’m sure they had the means to leave. Something more to this. I’m noy buying.

      • Cosmik Debris

        South African farmer here. Any suggestions on how to leave?

    • MJEF

      Those people need to gun up or leave the country to starve. The US and Auzzies should be taking in actual refugees and not economic leeches.

      • Cosmik Debris

        South African farmer here. Any suggestions on how to gun up or leave?

    • KissMyGrits

      According to the leaders of Zimbabwe, the family should have taught their attackers how to farm before they were slaughtered.

    • Thembi

      the murders were very brutal. eyes,breasts removed, multiple rape , frenzied attack.etc

    • James

      Rabid Mongrels!!

    • Andrew Johnson

      There will come a time when the people of that nation will plead for help and financial support. On that day, the murdered farmers must be remembered. As ye sow, so shall ye reap.

    • Scientia Praecepta

      The brutal attack on farmers and farm workers of all ethnicities is not condoned. Perspective is needed to effectively address the problem. First the homicide rate for farmers according to Interpol and SAPS is below national average, so there is no genocide. Second, there is a high crime rate across the whole country that has been steadily declining since 2012 to the extent that it is nearly halved but still unacceptably high. Third, 350 years of exploitation, deprivation, oppression and suppression of the indigenous people by uninvited immigrants has created the problem of systemic poverty and crime. It is barely 30 years since freedom was attained and the first generating of born frees are entering the workplace – many educated and skilled who are unfortunately outnumbered by the unskilled. Fourth, South Africa is the honey pot on the continent and has caused a brain drain from sub Saharan Africa which, inturn, is causing issues throughout the continent. Fifth, there are many illegal immigrants from as far afield as the Sudan attracted by the opportunities in South Africa. This combined with the influx of illegal immigrants has created xenophobia as they are viewed as taking locals jobs. Many become successful merchants and small traders. Sixth, COVID-19 has wrought havoc across all sectors of society. And lastly, 35% of the population can’t be having 90% of the country’s wealth and economy. South Africa needs to fix State capture and pay a Universal income grant that would fire up the economy and lead to better opportunities for all which will, in turn, lower the crime rate and lead to a more successful and prosperous nation that sits on the largest known mineral deposits in the world valued at over $360Trillion.

      • Cosmik Debris

        The brutal attack on farmers and farm workers of all ethnicities is not condoned. Perspective is needed to effectively address the problem. First the homicide rate for farmers according to Interpol and SAPS is below national average, so there is no genocide. Second, there is a high crime rate across the whole country that has been steadily declining since 2012 to the extent that it is nearly halved but still unacceptably high.

        Rubbish. I’m a South African farmer. The farm murder rate of WHITE farmers is 150 per 100 000 and the national murder rate is 32 per 100 000. It is not declining either. Just yesterday the murder rate was announced and it has increased. The toll is 58 people per day – More than are killed in Syria which is at war.

        • Scientia Praecepta

          The farm murder rate of WHITE farmers is 150 per 100 000 and the national murder rate is 32 per 100 000.

          You will have credibility if you could provide evidence from verifiable authority. Being a farmer does not make you an authority on crime. I’ll take the word of the people who research this subject. There has been an uptick in national homicide rate in 2019 after falling steadily since 2012 now 36 per 100k. The farmer and farm worker murder rate has increased over that period from 56 out of 20k homicides to 64 out of 20K. The topic is well researched and fact checked because the white genocide conspiracy theory is driven by white supremacists and nationalists worldwide. BTW: white and black African South Africans commit homicide at about equal rates. The coloured folk far above them and the Asians (Indian and Chinese) far below them. Illegal African immigrants are also in the last category. If you don’t have evidence and data you can’t address problems or convince people of your issue.

          • Cosmik Debris

            I can provide evidence. Look on the AfriForum website.

            • Scientia Praecepta

              Afriforum is a white fascist and supremacist website with unreliable data and propaganda.

            • Cosmik Debris

              Then Martin Luther King must have been racist and fascist as Afriforum is a minority civil rights movement. It is not right wing nor political at all. Give me any right wing or racist or fascist incident perpetrated by Afriforum? Bet you can’t.

            • Scientia Praecepta

              Afriforum are not fit to wipe Martin’s a$$. They are rated a fascist organization in the US – the screws will tighten when the Biden admin takes over.

            • Cosmik Debris

              Oh. so you rely on a liberal interpretation to refute AfriForum? How about yo u supply some facts? Bet you cant?

            • Scientia Praecepta

              The ACLU is the most respected legal entity in the US – it lists AfriForum as white right wing fascist and supremacists. As does the SPLC, the UN, the EU. Japan, China, Australia, NZ, Canada, etc.

            • Cosmik Debris

              No mention anywhere of AfriForum. Cite required please?

              Oh dear, look what I found; – American Civil Liberties Union, set up specifically to defend the liberties of Communists and all other political groups,

            • Scientia Praecepta

              What was that about ad hominem? The ACLU defend the fucking KKK liberty if it is their constitutional right. They often oppose the left being 100% Constitution focused.

            • Cosmik Debris

              Still no understanding of ad hominem i see. This is common among blacks. Same as the inability to provide facts.

          • Cosmik Debris

            Whites and blacks in SA do not commit homicide at equal rates. You claim to be scientific. Go do some research. Here is the complete list of farm attacks in South Africa:

            https://southafricatoday.net/tag/farm-attack/

            • Scientia Praecepta

              Interpol and SAPS beg to differ with you. Your link is as useful as a used condom. Not one researched article – all propaganda mixed with prejudiced feelings and cherry-picked incidents.

              https://pulitzercenter.org/reporting/myth-white-genocide?fbclid=IwAR2rkKeoL-2xmX5ceGemeZd-_X7n7A8cywOO51qonzqqi-ouy3cZQZ8gOeM

            • Cosmik Debris

              I work with the SAPS. I have far more insight into these facts than you will ever have. You do realize that only part of the stats are released and the rest are classified?

            • Scientia Praecepta

              Classic fallacy. Exactly what part of the data analysis do you do for the SAPS? Going on patrol doesn’t make you knowledgeable and it shows. The cleaners on SAA can’t tell you about the fiscal problems of the airline. Nor can they fly the aircraft. Your logic is flawed a immature.

            • Cosmik Debris

              Nope. I write procedural doctrine. Have you ever? Answer please.

            • Scientia Praecepta

              … procedural doctrine …

              LOL – fancy words for SOPs. And no you remain clueless on crime in RSA beyond white wing propaganda.

            • Cosmik Debris

              Nope. Not SOP’s. Those come from much higher up. You’re showing your ignorance. Now answer – Have you ever written procedural doctrine for a law enforcement agency and are you security cleared to view crime stats?

            • Scientia Praecepta

              are you security cleared to view crime stats

              I had a national security clearance higher that the president of the US, PM of Israel, Maggie in the UK, Vorster and PW in South Africa. I’d have to kill you if I told you what I worked on.

            • Cosmik Debris

              “I had an international security clearance higher that the president of the US, PM of Israel, Maggie in the UK, Vorster and PW in South Africa. ”

              Kak. This shows you aren’t even aware of the levels of security clearances and the “Need to know principle”. As usual, bluster and no facts nor evidence. By the way, there is no such thing as an international security clearance.

          • Cosmik Debris

            Are the coloured folk considered black or white?

            • Scientia Praecepta

              I use the South African classification and data.

            • Cosmik Debris

              What does that classification state?

          • Cosmik Debris

            You say I need evidence? When are you providing evidence for the African technology and medicine you claim.

            • Scientia Praecepta

              I gave you where to look for the information.

            • Cosmik Debris

              No you haven’t. Not once. Supply your resources and evidence.

          • Cosmik Debris

            “The topic is well researched and fact checked because the white genocide conspiracy theory is driven by white supremacists and nationalists worldwide.”

            Tell me what stage of genocide South Africa is at? You can check Genocide Watch for the stage.

            • Scientia Praecepta

              Tell me what stage of genocide South Africa is at?

              There is no genocide, period. Fact checked by many reputable fact check organization, Interpol and UN.

            • Cosmik Debris

              I asked what stage of genocide South Africa is at. There are 10 stages. Stage 9 is actual killing while stage 10 is denial of genocide. Now check up and answer what stage South Africa is on.

            • Scientia Praecepta

              There is no genocide, period. Fact checked by many reputable fact check organizations, Interpol and UN.

            • Cosmik Debris

              Checked Genocide Watch yet Ronnie? You can’t hide from me.

            • Scientia Praecepta

              Crime affects everyone. Murders in rural districts often receive more media coverage, simply because the rate of crime experienced in rural areas is generally less than that experienced in urban areas or metropoles. More women, of all ages and races, are victims of violent crimes. But, the use of the term “genocide” to describe a high violent crime rate against people living in remote rural and semi-rural populations is problematic. Article Two of the UN Convention on Genocide defines genocide as “any of the following acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such”:
              1. Killing members of the group;
              2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
              3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
              4. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
              5. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
              There is no credible evidence that violent crimes on farms is anything but opportunistic or planned criminal activity. There is no evidence that there is a concerted effort by any group or by the State to intentionally “destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group”.

            • Cosmik Debris

              Again, have you checked genocide watch? Tell me what level SA is at? Your refusal tells a lot about your posts.

              1. Killing members of the group; – Farm murders.
              2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; – Farm attacks.
              3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; – BEE, AA, EE, EWC, RET and 114 racist laws against whites. Renaming of structures they built.
              5. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. – Lesufi.

              There is credible evidence because a farm attack can never be opportunistic. The level of torture and cruelty is also way above opportunistic attacks.

              In fact, a University of Limpopo researcher, Christopher Gumbi, has written a thesis on farm attacks and finds them orchestrated.

            • Scientia Praecepta

              Load of crap especially as “farm murders” are not the only homicides. They are the lowest with the greatest noise. 30/100k for farm owners and workers – national average 57/100k.

            • Cosmik Debris

              Wrong figures.

              Farm 150 per 100k
              National average 32 per 100k

              Get your facts straight.

            • Scientia Praecepta

              Your math is pathetic. SAPS publishes national average 57/100k
              Farm workers in 2019 = 650,000
              Farm murders total = 54 -74 (2015-2019)
              Worst rate is 11.384/100k

            • Cosmik Debris

              Your sources are pathetic. The SAPS has been caught under reporting farm attacks. Just this week:

              TLU SA keeps meticulous records about farm attacks with full details about every attack. Their stats show that between 1 March 2019 and 28 Feb, 2020, there were 410 farm attacks and 54 farm murders.

              The SAPS reporting period is somewhat different, from 1 April, 2019 to 31 March, 2020, but their stats only show 46 farm attacks and 49 farm murders. Gen Chris van Zyl of TLU SA says the amount of attackers per farm attack keeps on increasing and a new tendency is farmers also being abducted from farms after attacks.

              Dianne Kohler Barnard of the DA agreed and said according to reliable figures, there were already 141 farm attacks and 26 farm murders so far this year in 2020.

            • Scientia Praecepta

              Your whining and unsubstantiated data only confirm that there is no problem and most definitely no genocide. Pity you are too dumb and brainwashed to intellectually process data.

            • Cosmik Debris

              As usual, an unsubstantiated opinion with no references nor facts. Can you tell me what stage Genocide Watch says South Africa is at? I bet you won’t because your entire argument will be destroyed.

            • Scientia Praecepta

              Genocide Watch is not considered an authority on genocide being a biased white conservative organization with an agenda. Every human rights organization refutes their unsubstantiated statement about South Africa. When challenged they have failed to provide evidence and obviously rely on prejudiced feelings from assholes like you. There researcher is a right wing Dutchman in the Netherlands of the same genes as the architect of Apartheid who met his comeuppance thanks to karma.

              https://africacheck.org/2016/09/15/analysis-genocide-watch-thin-transparency-methodology/

            • Cosmik Debris

              Still can’t argue the point? Only capable of offering a racist leftist opinion I see? You should change your name to sententia ab inertibus. Your present name indicates you looked the Latin up and have no idea how capitalisation is used in Latin.

              By the way, just to p you off more, I got rid of all my black workers due to Covid. I’m only employing whites that were unemployed now. Amazingly I don’t have people asking for money all the time and nothing gets broken or goes missing.

            • Cosmik Debris

              All those HR organisations are Soros and leftist funded. They have the same agenda as you do.

            • Scientia Praecepta

              Soros is a great human being. His company does my investments. I trust a fellow tribesman who is a humanitarian and very savvy investor. His sons are going to be even better. FYI: Genocide Watch was so poor it shut down due to a lack of funding.

            • Cosmik Debris

              Soros has a communist agenda. If he gets his way, you won’t have funding anymore. Everything you have will belong to the state. Enjoy being a loser.

            • Scientia Praecepta

              Soros is a full blown capitalist and wise investor who knows that one has to invest in society. More likely you will lose your farm, and rightly so, your ancestors stole the land and exploited the blacks. Then what? To old to come to US and be a farm laborer like 4000 of your fellow boers who work for minimum wage on H-1B visas. Our farmers like you suckers – cheap, hard working and reliable and can speak some English. Some even have Ag degrees – must be quite the drop in status having to be the milker of the cows or feeding the poultry, etc.

            • Cosmik Debris

              My ancestors stole the land? I bought my farm 10 years ago and the transaction was approved by the SA Revenue Service, The Municipality, the Deeds Office and the conveyancing attorneys. Are you telling me the SA government approved the sale of stolen land?

              Additionally, if you’re aware of stolen land you should be able to point it out? Why don’t you do so and claim your reward:

              The Transvaal Agricultural Union (TAU) has gone on record saying that it offers a R100 000 reward for anyone who can prove that farmers stole land in South Africa. Thus far, there has been no response to the reward offered.

              Come on, claim your reward. But I bet you won’t because your claim is typical leftist rhetoric.

            • Cosmik Debris

              Those South African farmers are now being given land in Zambia and those in the US soon rise to become the farm manager. Way above minimum wage. I know several.

            • Cosmik Debris

              Farm attacks are murders of farmers, not employees. The employees are not there when the farmers are attacked. How many farmers are there?

            • Scientia Praecepta

              Farm attacks are murders of farmers, not employees.

              Faux and purposely misleading statistic. Like calculating death rates in aircraft accidents and only including the pilots and ignoring the rest. You white supremacists fascists are scumbag weasels and will do anything to lie and push propaganda. Enjoy the rewards of hundreds of years of human rights abuses. Farmers were particularly cruel – read the many research papers on the topic. You are reaping a bountiful reward for what you sowed. The Chinese will be better farmers anyway.

            • Cosmik Debris

              A farmer is the owner of the farm, not the employee of the farm. I’m a farmer. My employees are not. They work on my farm. At night and on weekends they are not on the farm. I am.

              Please give me a single instance of me being cruel and abusing human rights? As usual, full of opinion and no facts.

              I would love to see the Chinese trying to farm in the arid semi desert area I farm. Once again, opinions but no facts from you.

            • Scientia Praecepta

              Pumpkin, many farmers are employees too. More than owners. Your kvetching is pure white wing propaganda. You are responsible for your own destruction and evisceration. Probably shouldn’t of pooped in the drinking water supply.

              I would love to see the Chinese trying to farm in the arid semi desert area I farm.

              Israeli’s and Chinese make you fascists look like amateurs. In any event your success at farming is on the backs of those you exploit.

              http://www.world-agriculture.net/files/pdf/agroecosystem-management-in-arid-areas-under-climate-change-experiences-from-the-semiarid-loess-pla.pdf

            • Cosmik Debris

              How can a farmer be an employee? He owns the farm. Just the word farmer should tell you that. But you’ve never farmed, so your ignorance shines through.

              How about some facts instead of opinions? The usual leftist narrative – Attack the person and don’t provide facts. May I remind you:

              Hitchens’ razor is an epistemological razor expressed by writer Christopher Hitchens. It says that the burden of proof regarding the truthfulness of a claim lies with the one who makes the claim; if this burden is not met, then the claim is unfounded, and its opponents need not argue further in order to dismiss it. Hitchens has phrased the razor in writing as:

              “What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.”

            • Scientia Praecepta

              Hitchens would detest you white fascist b*stards. I knew Chris well – his brother is an asshole like you!

            • Cosmik Debris

              That’s right, attack the person instead of arguing the point. Typical racist leftist narrative.

            • Cosmik Debris

              In 2004, William Kekana was sentenced to six life terms and 60 years in prison for crimes including murder, abduction and rape. Kekana and his deceased accomplice, Charles Fido Baloyi, kidnapped Janine Drennan, 24, her one-year-old daughter Kayla and Kayla’s grandmother, Hester Rawstone, on July 31, 2003 from Arcadia in Pretoria. Drennan was then raped and all three victims were murdered.

              During questioning Kekana said that Drennan, baby Kayla and Rawstone had been killed because they were white.

            • Scientia Praecepta

              Kind of like the farmer who fed workers to lions because they were black?

            • Cosmik Debris

              Single instance. Far more black savagery.

            • Cosmik Debris

              Isolated incident. This is the norm among blacks – Plenty more references for you about cannibalism and Muthi murders in SA:

              The trio of alleged cannibal killers were arrested in Estcourt, South Africa after one of them handed himself over to police and they were led to a house (pictured) where a body was found.

              Now supply some facts for white cannibilism and Muthi murders in SA? Bet you can’t, as usual.

            • Cosmik Debris

              In 2009 Alice Lotter, 76, and her daughter Helen, 57, were tortured to death at their farm in Allenridge, Free State. According to forensic evidence, the victims had died excruciatingly painful deaths and had been tortured for several hours. The victims had been stabbed with broken glass bottles in their genitals and one had had her breasts removed while still alive.

              The police officer who found the victims stated “Miss Helen Lotter was so severely injured that I found two large pieces of her body-fat the size of my hand lying next to her on the kitchen floor where she was found covered in blood.” The attackers had used the victims’ blood to paint “Kill the Boer” on the walls of their homestead.

              In an admissible confession letter from the gardener, Joseph Hlongwane, a medical student dropout, mentions being “owed money” by the victims, suggesting it as motive, before getting drunk with a friend who later became an accomplice in the gruesome crimes. The two were also charged for the third murder victim, Bongani Landu, who was allegedly murdered on the night of 2 and 3 November 2007. He was found murdered in the veldt near town stabbed to death with a broken beer-bottle, DNA connected them to the murder.

            • Scientia Praecepta

              Anecdotal – more than 1000 similar in other communities – why selective outrage when you and your ancestors are the cause?

            • Cosmik Debris

              My ancestors were the cause? What did they do? I have my complete history in SA so be careful what you write as I can tell whether it’s true or not.

          • Cosmik Debris

            Are you aware of how homicide is enumerated internationally? The standard is per 100 000 in order to have comparisons. Now work your figures into that standard and come back to me.

            • Scientia Praecepta

              Do the math – you will learn a valuable lesson.

            • Cosmik Debris

              I am university trained in statistics and live in South Africa. you find some facts and do the math. Let me know the results.

            • Scientia Praecepta

              Damelin College is not a University but superior to the faux Trump or Prager U.

            • Cosmik Debris

              The University of Pretoria that I attended is a University.

      • Cosmik Debris

        Third, 350 years of exploitation, deprivation, oppression and suppression of the indigenous people by uninvited immigrants has created the problem of systemic poverty and crime

        Absolute rubbish. Blacks had absolutely nothing when the whites came to South Africa. There was no reading, writing, math, science not astronomy. The wheel was unknown. How can you take anything from anyone that has nothing?

        There were absolutely no schools for blacks built by their kings or chiefs until apartheid and the white government building them. But let me leave you with some stats:

        Under apartheid:

        Mandela managed to get a lawyers degree and many other blacks like Steve Biko qualified professionally.

        Ten black Universities were built during Apartheid.

        The black education budget was increased by 30% every year.

        65% Of black South African children were at school, compared to Egypt 64%, Nigeria 57%, Ghana52%, Tanzania50% and Ethiopia 29%.

        71% Of black adults in South Africa could read and write, compared to Kenya 47%, Egypt 38%, Nigeria 34% and Mozambique at 26%.

        15 new classrooms were built for blacks, every working day, every year.

        The black population grew from 5 million to 40 million.

        56% Of the annual budget was spent on blacks.

        Black living standards rose by 5.4% per year.

        Soweto had 115 football fields, 3 Rugby fields, 4 athletic tracks, 11 Cricket fields, 2 Golf courses, 47 Tennis courts, 7 swimming pools built to Olympic standards, 5 Bowling alleys, 81 Netball fields, 39 children play parks, and countless civic halls, movie houses and clubhouses, 300 churches, 365 schools, 2 Technical Colleges, 8 clinics, 63 child day care centres, 11 Post Offices, and its own fruit and vegetable market.

        There were 2300 registered companies that belonged to black businessmen, about 1000 private taxi companies. 3% of the 50,000 vehicle owners in 1978 were Mercedes Benz owners. Soweto alone had more cars, taxis, schools, churches and sport facilities than most independent countries in Africa. And more private vehicles than the entire white population of the USSR at the time?

        Only blacks were allowed to use Baragwanath Hospital, the then biggest state of the art hospital in the world, with 3200 beds and at its peak had almost 8000 staff and 23 operation theaters.

        • Scientia Praecepta

          Blacks had absolutely nothing when the whites came to South Africa.

          Complete and utter white wing stupidity and nonsense. For one thing they didn’t have vile and evil Christianity.

      • Cosmik Debris

        And lastly, 35% of the population can’t be having 90% of the country’s wealth and economy.

        Who are the 35% you speak of? The whites are only around 9% of the South African population and have 114 direct racist laws against them partaking in the economy. Indirect rules by corporates refusing them to buy shares are another impediment on the whites. Despite this, the blacks still can’t beat them in business. There were only 13 laws during apartheid and many of them applied to whites too.

        Contrary to your views, this is what The Times, London had to say about South Africa.

        The Times: “South Africa is the only country in the world where affirmative action is in favour of the majority who have complete political control. The fact that the political majority requires affirmative action to protect them against a 9% minority group is testament to complete failure on their part to build their own wealth making schemes or structures, such that their only solution is to take wealth from others.“

        • Scientia Praecepta

          A tabloid press article gels with your prejudiced feelings. I am not impressed. Try reading academic research on the topic. Learn the history and effects and consequences of 350 years of deprivation, exploitation, oppression and suppression.

          • Cosmik Debris

            I am South African. There was no exploitation. Blacks had nothing when whites got to South Africa. They wanted part of the white mans riches and voluntarily worked for it. In fact, they were so useless that Chinese and Indian labour had to be imported.

            I am one of the 9% of that population. Work out the numbers yourself from this graph supplied by the South African government department Stats SA:

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/326faeb7582bcac808bbdf5e70d6d8c21743baaf2466d29ed029f8c98c660025.png

            • Scientia Praecepta

              Blacks had nothing when whites got to South Africa.

              Absolute BS. They had cattle, they farmed, they had armies, they made iron and steel, they had medicine, etc.. Ever heard of Great Zimbabwe or the mines from the 8th century in the Phalaborwa area. You must be a pretty dumb South African if you don’t understand the rape of the land by colonization and the starvation wages paid to black labor – mighty industrialization was built on cheap labor – the exploitation continues to this very day with daily farm wages less than 15 mins for a US farm worker.

            • Cosmik Debris

              They stole each others cattle and were nomadic herders, moving from pasture to pasture. They did not own land. The built homes out of mud and thatch. The y did not work iron until they met the white.

            • Scientia Praecepta

              Oh and the French etc didn’t steal each others cattle, pigs, women, etc? You are most unbelievable – nomadic people do not create the Great Zimbabwean or Mapungubwe Kingdoms. And yes despite your silliness they were built by Bantu.

            • Cosmik Debris

              There was no Zimbabwean nor Mapungupwe kingdom. It was an Arab mining operation.

              Evidence for those alloys please? You have yet to provide any.

            • Scientia Praecepta

              The archaeologists know better than you white uneducated fascists.

            • Cosmik Debris

              References to those archaeologists please? As usual, you have none . This is a debunked argument already. Find a new one.

            • Scientia Praecepta

              Google Revel Mason.

            • Cosmik Debris

              Argue the point with some references. You seem incapable of debate.

            • Cosmik Debris

              Great Zimbabwe and Mapungupwe were Arab gold mining operations circa 1300 using slaves. It was not built by blacks.

              Nowhere in sub Saharan Africa is there any record of blacks using dressed stone for building before nor after great Zimbabwe. Not a single stone bridge was built by sub Saharan blacks in Africa pre colonialism.

              The closest pre European colonoit stone buildings are the Arab forts at Zanzibar which the local blacks called and still call Stone Town. I have visited Great Zimbabwe.

              The slave trail to the port of Sofala on the coast for exporting the mined gold is lined with date palms which are not indigenous to the area. Dates were used as food for the slaves. The Mozambican port of Sofala was used to export the gold in Arab Dhows. The Mozambican people still make boats copied from the Arabian Dhow design. They have no idea where the design came from and have no other designs.

              Sorry to burst your African techno bubble.

            • Cosmik Debris

              I am a farmer. The Department of Labour patrols our farms and fines are very heavy if documentation is not in place for all workers. The workers know their rights and report farmers very quickly. The South African government sets the minimum wage, not the farmers. Take it up with them. Anyway, in a country with at least 50% unemployment, the South African minimum wage is reasonable. Any more and the farmer would shut down due to unaffordability and the farm workers would be unemployed too. There is no social security net in South Africa for unemployment as there is in the US.

            • Scientia Praecepta

              There is no social security net in South Africa for unemployment as there is in the US.

              Not true. There is UIF which is similar to the very crap US unemployment. South Africa is more advanced or progressive than the US when it comes to social security – all get a pension albeit by means testing. In the US you are forced to pay off every penny you earn for retirement and health care. It is still insufficient when compared to more civilized nations such as the social democracies of the world. US has no maternity leave. Only one week paid vacation. US has no universal healthcare. US pays $282 month for those starving and need support. Doesn’t buy a weeks groceries. The US faces very tough times – the obese, impeached orange turd screwed the Covid response and has tanked the economy and jobs to the worst in US history – GDP is -32.9% unemployment is 16.7% – 30 million people went hungry last week of July. 40% of renters didn’t pay June rent. We are now heading to be Venezuela’s clone. But we still have money to spend $639 million on F-35 jets – overpriced and underperform the Griffon at 1/20th the cost. Conservatives just can’t govern – complete morons – two failures this century.

            • Cosmik Debris

              UIF is paid by the employer. 1% of the salary is paid into UIF by the employer. The UIF has been stolen by the ANC too. After going unemployed the worker should get 6 months UIF. Most have not been paid.

            • Scientia Praecepta

              Perhaps, instead of exploiting people and segregating them with inferior education designed to be labourers South Africa would be in a better place today. You inherited what you sowed. Suck it up.

            • Cosmik Debris

              I inherited what I sowed? All I offer is a fair deliverance for what I pay. I have now fired everybody and no longer have to pay for funerals of family members . The inability of family to budget for school clothing too.

              Sudden family emergencies like a crap car breaking down on a dirt road – And I’m expected to tow it in over 100 km for free just because the guy is employed by me?

              The workers cutting my trees for wood to sell. The use of my tools at home – Not one has ever bought me a new angle grinder disc and I had to pay the medical for for the idiot I supplied protective glasses because he was hospitalised just because he was an employee never mind he was using it for private use – Just because I’m white.

              Exploitation you mentioned?

            • Scientia Praecepta

              Typical exploiter using its white privilege.

            • Cosmik Debris

              What privilege? Tell me about my white privilege?

            • Cosmik Debris

              By the way. I bought my farm 10 years ago. The transaction went trough the SA tax authority, Municipal authority and lawyers. Now you think I stole the land? What was that you said about me inheriting my problems?

            • Scientia Praecepta

              Your white privilege stinks and is obnoxious.

            • Cosmik Debris

              Just because you’re incapable of making any money?

            • Scientia Praecepta

              You just bumped recycled bits around the planet to convey your half-baked semi-thought for no purpose whatsoever. You should feel ashamed of yourself.

            • Cosmik Debris

              Still no evidence nor facts I see. Only assumptions.

            • Scientia Praecepta

              I can explain it to you but I can’t understand it for you!

            • Cosmik Debris

              Facts please, not an explanation. Waiting.

            • Cosmik Debris

              Rape of the land by colonisation? Some references and evidence for this please?

            • Scientia Praecepta

              Extract your head from your fundamental orifice.

            • Cosmik Debris

              Once again. Some references and evidence for this please? Other than an asinine denial. References please..

            • Scientia Praecepta

              You walk a fine line between gross ignorance and obnoxious nescience!

            • Cosmik Debris

              You can’t provide any evidence so you resort to a personal remark?

            • Scientia Praecepta

              Truth is like sunshine on a cockroach. You white wing cockroaches sure scatter fast when light appears. FYI: no personal remark but I understand English is not your native tongue.

            • Cosmik Debris

              English has been my professional language for over 40 years. I notice you’re into name calling but not into providing evidence for your assertions?

            • Scientia Praecepta

              English has been my professional language for over 40 years.

              You are not even at high school level.

            • Cosmik Debris

              Another attempt at humiliation. Doesn’t work. Give it up and provide the evidence you’re still avoiding.

            • Scientia Praecepta

              Obviously bullseye with that snowflake triggered response.

            • Cosmik Debris

              Nope. An observation. Not a trigger. Learn the difference.

            • Cosmik Debris

              The rampant birth rate in South Africa is due to the government paying a child grant to the unemployed. Of course the 50% and more unemployed are going to breed for the grant and then drink the grant out while the kid suffers. I see it monthly working with the police. There are 17 million grant recipients in South Africa with over 25 million unemployed and only 6 million active registered taxpayers, mostly white. See the impending disaster?

            • Cosmik Debris

              All mineral resources already belong to the government, so I don’t know what you want nationalised. Mining companies pay the government to extract and sell the minerals, part of which they pay back in tax. So your idea was already implemented under colonialisation a century or more ago.

            • Scientia Praecepta

              Complete BS. Blacks were not free to move around the country. Were you asleep during Dompass protests? Mineral rights are owned by Corporations.

            • Cosmik Debris

              The pass was to prevent swamping the cities with rural persons to prevent squatter camps. Exactly what happened when it was repealed by the ANC. Over 7000 squatter camps now.

            • Scientia Praecepta

              Boers are the worst colonial squatters along with the Brits.

            • Cosmik Debris

              What about the Zulu and other tribes?

            • Cosmik Debris

              What exploitation? Anyone was free to work on the mines. Nobody forced them. Oh, and one of the causes of the Boer War between England and the Transvaal Republic was that local blacks were paid more than British immigrants (The Uitlanders) to work in the gold mines.

            • Scientia Praecepta

              See below. The only think despicable about the boer war was the British invention of concentration camps that led to the Holocaust and other nasty episodes around the world and the US is doing it now to children and adults who come in search of asylum.

            • Cosmik Debris

              Rubbish. My great grandmother died in a concentration camp and my great grandfather was a POW. The deaths were 27 000 and most happened in a four month period due to a quadruple whammy of diphtheria, dysentery, typhoid and measles. And the Boer women’s refusal to use modern hygiene and insistence on folk medicine such as urine poultices and goat dung tea.

              I suggest studying what you assert instead of relying on worn out propaganda.

            • Scientia Praecepta

              The concentration camps were human rights abuses and war crimes, period. You lost – the Brits found themselves not guilty. The Cape Afrikaners were a very progressive people – far ahead of many nations. The Brits screwed it and so did the fascist Calvinist Afrikaners. If the Cape franchise was extended throughout South Africa and if the Rhodesias, Botswana and Malawi had joined the Union – South Africa would be a bigger giant than the US. Dumb white racists and religion screwed it all and Oom Jannie neglected home turf in service to the Monarchy and the seat of the Empire.

            • Cosmik Debris

              Crap. Both sides of my family were in the Boer war. I am a Cape Afrikaner. We have moved on and I find it offensive that you use my family’s suffering as political leverage.

              You are definetiey not a Yank on a Yank forum.

              Fuggen imposter

            • Scientia Praecepta

              Yank is a pejorative. But from a boer with inferiority complexes completely understandable. Last time I checked my three passports – the American one clearly stated Nationality: United States of America. Just issued and valid until July 2030. Applied just before lockdown in March – usually takes less than two weeks but pandemic messed delivery. Now the impeached orange fat turd and his cohorts want to let the Post Office go bankrupt so their buddies can take over and charge exorbitant fees for the same profitable service and restrict voting access this November. Sh!t scared Americans are going to eject his fat incompetent a$$ and take his whole party down with him too. Looks like the Senate is now a lock to change too. The leading opponents to the sexual pervert coward are conservative American Republicans of integrity and principles. Google the Lincoln Project.

            • Cosmik Debris

              Rant over?

            • Cosmik Debris

              So, why aren’t you living in the African paradise you and your father helped create?

            • Scientia Praecepta

              You should be less keen to affirm the stereotype that conservatives are stupid and ignorant.

            • Cosmik Debris

              More insults and assumptions. When are you going to provide evidence for your African civilisation assertions? Like an example of the indigenous sub Saharan alphabet?

            • Scientia Praecepta

              Why construct a straw man and then demolish it thinking you achieved something?

            • Cosmik Debris

              Another accusation. Still no facts nor evidence.

          • Criticising the Stupid
      • Cosmik Debris

        It is barely 30 years since freedom was attained and the first generating of born frees are entering the workplace

        Freedom was never attained. That is a myth. The whites voted to end apartheid. There was no revolution nor liberation. It was a negotiated settlement that resulted in universal franchise.

        Is it fair that the white born frees have 114 direct racist laws against them partaking in the economy?

        • Scientia Praecepta

          The whites voted to end apartheid. There was no revolution nor liberation.

          FALSE! South Africa was morally and financially bankrupt. The liberation struggle had brought the white fascist minority to its knees. Your last sentence is obnoxious ignorance on steroids. Seek treatment.

          • Cosmik Debris

            The whites voted to end apartheid on 17 March 1992. The vote was yes with a majority of 68%. After that talks were entered into with the future black government. They were termed CODESA. There was no liberation not revolution. I was there and part of that vote. You don’t get to tell me my history I partook in.

            • Scientia Praecepta

              The minority white government was illegal and you know that. It survived because of rabid white conservative support in the US and UK – Cuba gave the SADF a hiding then the dominoes started collapsing.

            • Cosmik Debris

              It was not illegal. It was recognised as a sovereign government and had a seat at the United Nations.

            • Scientia Praecepta

              South Africa was a founding member of the UN but then it had decent people like Jan Smuts – the brains behind the drunk Churchill. South Africa lost it full status at the UN. South Africans could hardly travel the world on South African Passports. Initially restrictions were by the National Government and then the world gave them the middle finger. And rightly so. Pariahs of the world with Israel and several South American countries.

            • Cosmik Debris

              I managed to travel to the UK and Europe visa free on an SA passport till 2010. Then the decent countries banned the aNC . Hahahaha!

            • Scientia Praecepta

              I managed to travel to the UK and Europe visa free on an SA passport till 2010

              Up to 1994 that was about the only option thanks to Maggie not wanting 2 million Brits and their descendants coming home. Europe were apartheid appeasers – The French eventually saw the light especially when the arms sales fell through the floor and the South Africans had ripped them off copying their excellent equipment. Didn’t make friends with Maggie selling the Argentinians missiles during the Falklands skirmish. A faux skirmish to give Maggie balls.

            • Cosmik Debris

              And today? What’s the reason for a visa today?

            • Scientia Praecepta

              UN has mandates. Educate yourself. Visas are required for every country. Exceptions are issued by countries and regions on a reciprocal basis. Some visas need to be attained in advance others issued on arrival depends on country and bilateral agreements. RSA lost several privileges because they refuse to sign the international treaty on extradition.

            • Cosmik Debris

              Visas are not required for every country. In fact the South African passport is visa free for 64 countries. You seem to know little about visas.

              https://visafreecountries.com/south-african-passport

            • Scientia Praecepta

              Read the fourth sentence or do I need to write in Afrikaans for you to grasp?

            • Cosmik Debris

              Write it in Afrikaans. Let’s see if you can.

            • Scientia Praecepta

              Lees die vierde sin of moet ek in Afrikaans skryf om vir jou te begryp?

            • Cosmik Debris

              Can you correct that grammatically please? Google Translate is notorious for getting grammar wrong.

            • Cosmik Debris

              Cuba gave South Africa a hiding? Then why did Fidel Castro execute his general in charge of the war in Angola:

              Castro explains why Angola lost battle against the SADF

              By Simon Barber, dated 27 July 1989

              According to the fashionable view, Pretoria agreed to withdraw from Angola and Namibia with its tail between its legs, a spent force. In other words, sanctions and Fidel Castro won the day. This is not the analysis that emerges from Castro’s own version of events in his speech to the Cuban Council of State on July 9, when it met to confirm the death sentence imposed on General Arnaldo Ochoa Sanchez, chief of the Cuban military mission in Angola from November 1987 to January this year.

              Instead, it becomes clear that by late 1987 Castro had concluded that the MPLA regime was an irredeemable military and economic basket case, whipped in the field and four years behind in the trifling $20m a year the Cubans claimed to be charging for their services. SA and Unita had effectively won. For Fidel, the only acceptable course was to stage a unilateral display of Cuban military prowess and go home.

              So determined was Castro that nothing should embroil his army longer than was absolutely necessary that he virtually abandoned all other duties to run and finish the war from Havana. To ensure the MPLA would not prevaricate behind his back, he sought and obtained a Cuban seat at the negotiating table. And finally, last June, in the event SA tried to thwart his exit by challenging him on the battlefield, he gave orders that Oshakati was to be bombed and the Ruacana hydro-electric scheme destroyed.

              The immediate purpose of the July 9 speech was to denigrate the role Ochoa played in the last, climactic year of the war by portraying him as lazy, incompetent, insubordinate and venal. To make this credible, Castro evidently felt it necessary to describe the defence of Cuito Cuanavale and Cuba’s subsequent flanking offensive towards the Namibian border in unprecedented detail. He even quoted from cables he sent Ochoa and his field commander, General Leopoldo Cintra Frias…

            • Scientia Praecepta

              Cuba and the liberation movements won the war. Get over it. Mandela recognized that and made Cuba his first stop after releasing himself from prison, if memory serves me well.

            • Cosmik Debris

              Nope. Not as admitted by Castro. Deny it as much as you want Ronnie. You can’t hide anywhere.

            • Scientia Praecepta

              Who the fcuk is Ronnie – one of your brandy and coke drinking buddies? Or your lover?

            • Cosmik Debris

              Argue the point instead of an ad hominem attack.

            • Scientia Praecepta

              I notice you did not answer me …. typical nescient, low-educated conservative fail! Doesn’t know the meaning of ad hominem! Misuses and doesn’t know when and how to apply the word, correctly! What is it with right-wingers that they can’t figure out simple English lexicon? Did you all skip third grade and take a job?

            • Cosmik Debris

              All insults, name calling and assumptions as usual. When do you provide some evidence? Here, let me help you:

              Ad hominem:

              Ad hominem, short for argumentum ad hominem, is a term that refers to several types of arguments, most of which are fallacious. Typically this term refers to a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.

              I would say that describes your method of argument accurately.

            • Scientia Praecepta

              Junior has found Wikipedia. Still doesn’t know what ad hominem means. Need a lesson?

            • Cosmik Debris

              Give me a lesson then? It will be the first facts you supply.

            • Scientia Praecepta

              Why did you forego an education? The English language is dynamic and wonderful. Learn to use it and what the definition and meaning of words is, such as fact … it’s a noun meaning something that actually exists; reality; truth or something known to exist or to have happened or a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true. I realize your vocabulary may not extend much beyond the ten hundred most commonly used English words. You won’t learn anything from other people if you don’t understand what words mean with specificity. Alternatively, you get your panties all in a knot by thinking the words you use are true to their meaning.

              Lesson:
              First, insults per se are not ad hominem. Second, you need to understand logic structure and relevancy.P1 asserts XP1 is an idiot.Therefore, X is not true. <– that's an ad hominem!This is not:Why are you working so very hard to come across as a very dumb, uneducated, conservative c ũnt?It could be construed as an insult but I think the certainty of it being true >95% in your instance. When the attack on the person is relevant to the argument, it is not a fallacy.

            • Cosmik Debris

              Love the amount f typing I’m making you do to explain things i know. All caused by your arrogance and hubris.

            • Cosmik Debris

              When are you going to realise that whites don’t take offence at insults?

            • Scientia Praecepta

              The Bard said it best, “The lady doth protest too much, methinks.”

            • Cosmik Debris

              Still no evidence for your assertions I see.

            • Scientia Praecepta

              You need remedial reading and comprehension classes. Do they have vacation schools in South Africa?

            • Cosmik Debris

              Still waiting for evidence. None to date. only bluster.

            • Criticising the Stupid

              I see like Julius Malema you also get your information from Encyclopedia Bullshittica

            • Cosmik Debris

              Cuba gave South Africa a hiding? I fought that war from 1978 to 1988. There were never more than 3000 South African troops in Angola facing over 50 000 Cuban, Soviet, East german, Jugoslavian, Polish, Angolan (FAPLA) and SWAPO troops.

              But here are the casualties for the last battle at Cuito Canavale. You decide who won:

              South Africa:
              42 dead
              90 wounded
              5 tanks lost (2 recovered)
              5 Ratels lost
              6 other armoured vehicles lost
              2 aircraft shot down
              1 aircraft crashed

              UNITA:
              3,000 dead

              FAPLA:
              4,768 dead
              10,000+ wounded
              94 tanks lost
              65 APCs lost
              12 aircraft shot down

              Cuba:
              42 army dead
              7 pilots dead
              3 pilots POW
              70 wounded (UNITA claim)
              6 tanks lost
              6 aircraft shot down

              Soviet Union:
              4 dead (UNITA claim)
              31 wounded (UNITA claim)

          • Cosmik Debris

            Nope. South Africa was the 18th biggest GDP in the world in 1994 despite sanctions and had a GDP bigger than the rest of Africa combined. In only 26 years, while being the world’s darlings, the black government has managed to reduce that GDP to the 35th biggest in the world and only the third biggest in Africa in only 26 years while dropping the Rand US$ exchange rate from R3-55 to the US$ in 1994 to R17 to the US$ today. As a scientist, you can work out that devaluation.

            And you want to tell me that White South Africa was on its knees?

            • Scientia Praecepta

              South Africa was on its knees – it was fully sanctioned and if rogue UK, Japan, France and Germany did not keep the pipe open it would have gone belly up. South Africa’s best economic years were under the ANC and peaked in 2012. South Africa’s gold output has dropped by more than half due to exhaustion of reefs and ever deeper mining – the most costly in the world – accounts for a large drop in the GDP. Tourism is now the largest income sector. The ANC has brought everybody onto an equal footing socially – absent in the apartheid era – obviously that will cause a drain. The ANC is no more corrupt than the NP. There are volumes on the topic. BTW: South Africa used to be #4 arms supplier to the world – that has been reduced by the ANC government for obvious reasons.

            • Cosmik Debris

              A country with the 18th biggest GDP in the world and a bigger GDP than the rest of Africa combined with an exchange rate of R3-55 to the US$ is a country on it’s knees?

              I can guarantee that not even the blacks are on an equal footing. It’s tribal. Ramaphosa is Venda and seen as inferior by the Zulu. The reason his entire cabinet is Zulu. He is a puppet to them and reviled.

            • Scientia Praecepta

              The South African Rand was once in a basket of five currencies that determined the exchange rate around the world. R! bought $1.25, But that was before RSA went on full military and police state and gold was $42 an oz. Mr. Gold, Donges was considered a financial guru and died bankrupt in disgrace.

            • Cosmik Debris

              Hello Ronnie. How’s Real Madrid? Same kak arguments on another site I see. Your time of posting shows you’re not in the USA as you’re trying to portray.

            • Cosmik Debris

              Notice I have only a single site name Ronnnie? Other than your multiple names?

            • Scientia Praecepta

              Only one user name/ID! Used to irritate those in our society who go to great lengths to be uneducated and ill informed or purposefully spread white wing supremacist propaganda. I do this freely, it is my gift to the kids, so that my grandchildren may have a better and more secure future! My father fought fascism and conquered it. I helped defeat fascism and racism in South Africa and proud of it! Now we”l do the same to the fat impeached turd in the WH! Aluta!

            • Cosmik Debris

              Actually, you’re showing your ignorance regarding the Cubans. You and your father never faced the SADF so how did you fight them?

            • Scientia Praecepta

              My father fought in WWII.

            • Cosmik Debris

              Which makes you a warrior and war veteran?

            • Cosmik Debris

              The ANC is far more corrupt. The NP at least jailed their corrupt. Not a single corrupt ANC member has been jailed despite glaring evidence.

            • Scientia Praecepta

              The NP at least jailed their corrupt.

              Pure fiction. Minions got into trouble – not the real grifters.

              Not a single corrupt ANC member has been jailed despite glaring evidence.

              Also, not true.

            • Cosmik Debris

              Name a single ANC member that was jailed for corruption? Here are the names of some NP members :

              Pietie du Plessis
              Peet duPontes.

              Vorster resigned as Prime Minister when Eschel Rhoodie fled SA

              How terrible it must be for propagandists like you when I counter you on forums . Greetings from 2017. Found you again. Different name, same propaganda.

            • Scientia Praecepta

              In Russia they described white South Africans perfectly:

              belyy natsionalist ekspluatator or белый националист эксплуататор

            • Cosmik Debris

              Of course. The communists wanted the Uranium and other minerals. You thought they cared about you.They didn’t and still don’t. Do you know what they call blacks?

            • Scientia Praecepta

              The communists wanted the Uranium and other minerals.

              White wing propaganda. Russia is self-sufficient and an exporter of uranium.

            • Cosmik Debris

              It is now. Those days they were after the Rossing mine in Namibia for the purest uranium in the world. You do know that Patrice Lumumba was murdered because the Soviets wanted the uranium in the Katanga province of what is now the DRC? The bombs dropped on Japan were made from the Congolese uranium.

            • Scientia Praecepta

              The CIA using Rhodesian agents indirectly murdered Patrice by working with Tsombe. The CIA pooped their panties when he, as democratically elected prime minister, had invited the Soviet Union for assistance when the UN and Belgium refused to assist in Katanga but propped up the rebel Moise Tsombe instead. The CIA’s hand-picked surrogate and future kleptomaniac, Joseph Mobutu (later known as Mobutu Sese Seko) had Lumumba executed by a firing squad on January 17, 1961. The bombs dropped on Japan contained uranium from DRC (formerly Belgium Congo and Zaire) not the Congo which is short for the Republic of the Congo.

            • Cosmik Debris

              Exactly what I said. Katanga is a province of the DRC by the way, not Congo Brazzaville. Look at a map. DRC was Belgian, Brazzaville French and Cabinda was the Portuguese Congo. It considers itself independent from Angola and your passport will be stamped when entering from Angola by air. I have worked in all three. Ever been there?

            • Criticising the Stupid
            • Criticising the Stupid

              Only “coloured and Indian” ANC scapegoats have gone to jail and are still there. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3dbdb4998530b5ffe7cfd2a6abeb58dd631acc25caf6adf56d6acc146bc7ef5f.jpg

            • Criticising the Stupid

              BULL$HIT !!!
              South Africa was only slightly crippled you ignorant imbecile. I was around and we still were in a better state than we are now.
              Your argument is only 40% accurate. The rest is leftist liberal garbage.

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